17-EDO can plausibly be treated as a 2.3.25.7.11.13.23 subgroup temperament, for which it is quite accurate (though the 7-limit ratios are generally not as well-represented as those of the other integers). Because the 3, 7, 11, and 13 are all sharp, it adapts well to octave shrinking; 27edt (a variant of 17edo in which the octaves are flattened by ~2.5 cents) is a good alternative. Another one is 44ed6.
As a no-fives system, it is best used with timbres in which harmonic multiples of 5 are attenuated or absent. Also, the standard major chord (4:5:6) cannot be used since it includes the fifth harmonic.
Instead, the tonic chords of 17-EDO could be considered to be the tetrad 6:7:8:9 and its utonal inversion, the former of which is a subminor chord with added fourth, and the latter a supermajor chord with added second (resembling the famous mu major chord of Steely Dan fame). These are realized in 17-EDO as 0-4-7-10 and 0-3-6-10, respectively. Both of these have distinct moods, and are stable and consonant, if somewhat more sophisticated than their classic 5-limit counterparts. To this group we could also add the 0-3-7-10 (which is a sus4 with added second, or sus2 with added fourth). These three chords comprise the three ways to divide the 17-EDO perfect fifth into two whole tones and one subminor third. Chromatic alterations of them also exist, for example, the 0-3-7-10 chord may be altered to 0-2-7-10 (which approximates 12:13:16:18) or 0-3-8-10 (which approximates 8:9:11:12). The 0-3-8-10 chord is impressive-sounding, resembling a sus4 but with even more tension; it resolves quite nicely to 0-3-6-10.
Combining ups and downs notation with color notation, qualities can be loosely associated with colors:
quality
color
monzo format
examples
minor
blue
{a, b, 0, 1}
7/6, 7/4
"
fourthward white
{a, b}, b < -1
32/27, 16/9
mid
jade
{a, b, 0, 0, 1}
11/9, 11/6
"
amber
{a, b, 0, 0, -1}
12/11, 18/11
major
fifthward white
{a, b}, b > 1
9/8, 27/16
"
red
{a, b, 0, -1}
9/7, 12/7
Chord Names
All 17edo chords can be named using ups and downs. Here are the blue, jade and red triads:
color of the 3rd
JI chord
notes as edosteps
notes of C chord
written name
spoken name
blue
6:7:9
0-4-10
C Eb G
Cm
C minor
jade
18:22:27
0-5-10
C Ev G
C~
C mid
red
14:18:27
0-6-10
C E G
C
C major or C
0-4-9 = C Eb Gv = Cm(v5) = C minor down-five
0-5-9 = C Ev G = C~(v5) = C mid down-five
0-6-11 = C E G^ = C(^5) = C up-five
0-4-10-14 = C Eb G Bb = Cm7 = C minor seven
0-5-10-14 = C Ev G Bb = C7(~3) = C seven mid-three
0-6-10-15 = C E G Bv = C,~7 = C mid seven
0-5-10-15 = C Ev G Bv = C.~7 = C dot mid seven
17 EDO tempers out the following commas. (Note: This assumes val < 17 27 39 48 59 63 |, cent values rounded to 5 digits.)
Comma
Monzo
Value (Cents)
Name 1
Name 2
Name 3
| 27 -17 >
66.765
17-Comma
25/24
|-3 -1 2>
70.762
Chromatic semitone
Dicot comma
32805/32768
| -15 8 1 >
1.9537
Schisma
64/63
| 6 -2 0 -1 >
27.264
Septimal Comma
Archytas' Comma
Leipziger Komma
245/243
| 0 -5 1 2 >
14.191
Sensamagic
1728/1715
| 6 3 -1 -3 >
13.074
Orwellisma
Orwell Comma
| -6 -8 2 5 >
1.1170
Wizma
99/98
| -1 2 0 -2 1 >
17.576
Mothwellsma
896/891
| 7 -4 0 1 -1 >
9.6880
Pentacircle
243/242
| -1 5 0 0 -2 >
7.1391
Rastma
385/384
| -7 -1 1 1 1 >
4.5026
Keenanisma
525/512
| -9 1 2 1 >
43.408
Avicennma
Avicennma's Enharmonic Diesis
Note that despite their relatively large size, the 17-comma, the avicennma and the chromatic semitone are all tempered out by the 13-limit patent val, as stated.
Shanidar Cave is a piece in 17 edo that features an electric 17 edo guitar and what is essentially an electric tanpura which ends up making this a sort of fusion of middle eastern and Indian music in a sense. by Chris Vaisvil
17 tone equal temperament
Table of Contents
Theory
An introduction to 17-EDO theory, through the eyes of the SeventeenTonePianoProject: SeventeenTheory.Another introduction into 17-EDO theory: The 17-tone Puzzle by George Secor.
17edo Solfege. 17edo tetrachords. Proyect 17-Perú
17-EDO can plausibly be treated as a 2.3.25.7.11.13.23 subgroup temperament, for which it is quite accurate (though the 7-limit ratios are generally not as well-represented as those of the other integers). Because the 3, 7, 11, and 13 are all sharp, it adapts well to octave shrinking; 27edt (a variant of 17edo in which the octaves are flattened by ~2.5 cents) is a good alternative. Another one is 44ed6.
As a no-fives system, it is best used with timbres in which harmonic multiples of 5 are attenuated or absent. Also, the standard major chord (4:5:6) cannot be used since it includes the fifth harmonic.
Instead, the tonic chords of 17-EDO could be considered to be the tetrad 6:7:8:9 and its utonal inversion, the former of which is a subminor chord with added fourth, and the latter a supermajor chord with added second (resembling the famous mu major chord of Steely Dan fame). These are realized in 17-EDO as 0-4-7-10 and 0-3-6-10, respectively. Both of these have distinct moods, and are stable and consonant, if somewhat more sophisticated than their classic 5-limit counterparts. To this group we could also add the 0-3-7-10 (which is a sus4 with added second, or sus2 with added fourth). These three chords comprise the three ways to divide the 17-EDO perfect fifth into two whole tones and one subminor third. Chromatic alterations of them also exist, for example, the 0-3-7-10 chord may be altered to 0-2-7-10 (which approximates 12:13:16:18) or 0-3-8-10 (which approximates 8:9:11:12). The 0-3-8-10 chord is impressive-sounding, resembling a sus4 but with even more tension; it resolves quite nicely to 0-3-6-10.
Intervals
Chord Names
All 17edo chords can be named using ups and downs. Here are the blue, jade and red triads:
0-4-9 = C Eb Gv = Cm(v5) = C minor down-five
0-5-9 = C Ev G = C~(v5) = C mid down-five
0-6-11 = C E G^ = C(^5) = C up-five
0-4-10-14 = C Eb G Bb = Cm7 = C minor seven
0-5-10-14 = C Ev G Bb = C7(~3) = C seven mid-three
0-6-10-15 = C E G Bv = C,~7 = C mid seven
0-5-10-15 = C Ev G Bv = C.~7 = C dot mid seven
For a more complete list, see Ups and Downs Notation - Chord names in other EDOs.
Selected just intervals by error
The following table shows how some prominent just intervals are represented in 17edo (ordered by absolute error).Commas
17 EDO tempers out the following commas. (Note: This assumes val < 17 27 39 48 59 63 |, cent values rounded to 5 digits.)Note that despite their relatively large size, the 17-comma, the avicennma and the chromatic semitone are all tempered out by the 13-limit patent val, as stated.
Scales
List of 17edo rank two temperaments by badness
List of edo-distinct 17c rank two temperaments
Music
Compositions
Sound files
Instruments
Guitar Heptadecatonic from Peruvian - Charles Loli and Antonio Huamani
Bass Heptadecatonic from Peruvian - Charles Loli and Antonio Huamani